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Opinions on Nederwiet vs. WestCoast Organic




I've yet to travel to the 'Dam, I want to be clear on that.

With that stated, i've often read and heard that the dutch commercial product is nearly always hydroponic in nature AND very chemically saturated (due, I would assume, to not flushing the plants with only pure water before harvesting). This would be noticable in how it burns down (black soot equates a chemi burn) the taste, and would result in herb that refuses to stay lit. It has often been implied that the westcoast (of america, B.C. included) "gear" was vastly superior - but the trip across the pond was still warrented for the enviroment, ease of selection, culture and hash (which is always been a rarity in the USA, and limited still in canada).

Is this true? Or is the "product" referenced above as subjective as the personality of the grower in question (i.e. "it all depends on where you go").

Just for the record, the shops on the top of my list are:


Grey Area (actually wasn't near the list till coming here)
Kadinsky (rosmarijnsteeg 9 - I'm excited about this one!)
De Rokerji
YoYo
Katsu



Any opinions on these? I'm sure many others will come my way as well.
Not only does it depend on where you go, it depends on what the day is or the time is, you can always get a mediocre batch no matter where you are. The shops you mentioned are all great. I would also suggest Homegrown Fantasy, I couldn't even begin to claim to know the difference between organic weed and weed grown with chemicals, but they have organic weed, Kashmir Lounge, which is in a less touristy part of town with great weed, very cool atmos, and they serve alcohol, Goa and the Bluebird, which are my choices for great imported hash, and the Bush Docter (that's how it's spelled) for varieties of NL hash.
Yeah there are quite a few shops that specialize in organic weed around town too. I'm not the one to ask though as I don't buy the hype on the difference. I've challenged plenty of people to taste the difference and not one could tell with any consistency.
i also recommend dutch flowers......coffee shop medina advertises to only sell 100 percent organic. i talked to the guy at the canabis college in length and he had lots of very interesting things to say about hydroponics, he also had a long speech on the proper use of herbicides. to my understanding lights are illegal to use for growing weed in holland so there must be alot of non hydro around somewhere. i will be the first to admitt most of the gear i somked there was hydro. good luck and have fun. and for the record i think most of the high end amsterdam weed is just as good as any of the high end gear available here. p.s. de kuil has a microscope to check out your gear 1000x
The Mekong Haze at Barney's is listed on the menu as "organic sativa." I found it a mild high, nice.

michaelo
The South has some good strains. Southerners cure it differently than do their Nederland counterparts. With all variables controlled this one characteristic remained dominant. BTW, I've got some good videos on the South.
So that's where my extra copies of "Smokey & The Bandit" and "Stroker Ace" went... please give them back!
Coffeeshop de Dampkring has an outstanding reputation for selling organic herb. Much of what is on their menu is grown by an American grow-guru, Soma, who has grown organically for the last 20+ years. Just ask the dealer and he will show you the many different strains grown by Soma. Buddah's Sister is a very nice one, imho. Also, this is a great shop to hang out in but it can get kinda busy sometimes. Friendly staff. Nice Vibe. Just a great shop. Their sister shop, de Tweede Kamer, also has pretty much the same herb on their menu but is a relativily small shop.
Peace. Puffin13
I would also suggest a visit to the Siberie on the Brouwersgracht. It is quite a nice place to sit and chill (or play pinball!) and enjoy a smoke. The staff is very friendly and usually will throw in some free stuff like filters, papers, lighters, etc if you buy a lot of gear. Their Siberian Tiger is primo as far as weeds go, and they have a skuff hash made from Nederweed called Amsterdam Delight that is a nice heady high.

Also, for visits to the Kadinsky, I prefer one of the other locations. The Kadinsky cafe and their oldest coffeeshop locations are on the Zoutsteeg. I really like this location much better, but then again this is my "local" drinking bar. So it could just be my personal preference. Wait a minute, why not check out both?
Tis a bit delayed, but I just happened across the netside article that prompted me to post this question in the first place. Within the depths of it was the offending lines:


Some of the menus have the pot listed in two categories: Hydro and Bio. Don't let this fool you – all of it is grown with chemical fertilizers. The Bio is just grown in dirt with chemical fertilizer. There wasn't a sign of any truly organic bud to be had. So when in Rome… get some lip balm. This pot has a lot of undissolved salts in it, so the lips get pretty dry, necessitating ordering two Cokes at a time. Overcome and adapt.



But I have to admit that their method of growing leaves a lot to be desired. Most of the pot was full of chemical fertilizers and smoked very poorly. But you sure got stoned!

The Dutch don't flush their plants at the end of flowering to increase flavor and potency. They also mix their pot with tobacco and couldn't care less. But you sure got stoned… did I mention that? Same with the hash made from these strains… you sure got stoned!

The Katsu was the place for Sativa.

This is a sentiment I find echoed regularly about the 'Dam by CC.

Dedbud, so was that herb you mentioned actually organic or simply grown in dirt?
Tis a bit delayed, but I just happened across the netside article that prompted me to post this question in the first place. Within the depths of it was the offending lines:


Some of the menus have the pot listed in two categories: Hydro and Bio. Don't let this fool you ? all of it is grown with chemical fertilizers. The Bio is just grown in dirt with chemical fertilizer. There wasn't a sign of any truly organic bud to be had. So when in Rome? get some lip balm. This pot has a lot of undissolved salts in it, so the lips get pretty dry, necessitating ordering two Cokes at a time. Overcome and adapt.



But I have to admit that their method of growing leaves a lot to be desired. Most of the pot was full of chemical fertilizers and smoked very poorly. But you sure got stoned!

The Dutch don't flush their plants at the end of flowering to increase flavor and potency. They also mix their pot with tobacco and couldn't care less. But you sure got stoned? did I mention that? Same with the hash made from these strains? you sure got stoned!

The Katsu was the place for Sativa.

This is a sentiment I find echoed regularly about the 'Dam by CC.

Dedbud, so was that herb you mentioned actually organic or simply grown in dirt?

As I said in an earlier post, if you're so goddamn picky, you should just stay at home, smoke your own perfect weed, and just STFU.
I have never gotten chapped lips from smoking weed in Amsterdam. It's all in this guy's mind. What the f is he doing? Smoking the weed or rubbing it all over his lips? Undisolved salts? What the hell is that all about? This guy's full of undisolved shit.
You're never going to enjoy your trip to Amsterdam if all you can do is worry that you're not getting the maximum experience.
I agree with LTD....
You aren't even going until next year. You are really worried about way too much, way too soon.

You will find bio and hydro on menu's. You will have almost every choice you can imagine for weed. It has always be my belief that pot is a personal preference. Banks loves AK-47 (my fav till Big Bang), others swear by Blueberry.

I will tell you that your attitude will not get you very far in a coffeeshop. Telling your Dutch dealer that their gear is basically inferior will certainly land you the shittiest weed in the house.

Relax and look forward to exploring a wonderful city with much to offer beyond coffeeshops. You should also be excited about finding your own personal favorite shop and weed.

Peace
Thank you for your input LTD (and trekkin). Don't misunderstand me though, I have no preconception of going into a shop with anything but an open heart and praise for anything they have to offer. I'm just trying to get the real scoop on what the amsterdam scene is like (i'm a student of sociology). My questions relate curiosities not worries.

Now, the reason I asked this is because Marijuanna Man, the guy who I quoted above, is one of Cannabis Cultures foremost authorities on cannabis cultivation. He is *the* guy behind their grow shows on www.pot-tv.ca (i suggest checking out the cooking show, shake & bake.. great recipies if you have access to some clippings). He is on par with people like Mel Frank and Ed Rosenthal (sp?), so I found it interesting he said this. It isn't like I'm running on the advice of some stranger on the internet with nothing but a silly handle behind his name, this guy generally knows his shite, in a most scientific way.

Yes LTD, chemical fertilizers DO leave salts in the plant, this I know as true. Salts do not burn well, nor do they aid in much but making the plant harsh and drying to the mouth. Most organic growers, growing for personal collections, flush their plants 2 weeks before harvest with pure water. This helps remove any salt buildup that may have developed in the plant. I was simply curious whether this one mans experience was as all encompassing as he claimed, or whether he was being a BC elitest. I now have my questions answered, i believe.

Thanks again for the input, and sorry for bumping an old post. I simply needed clarification whether the organic you all were speaking about was simply bio or actually organic.

_non
Oh, you're a student? That explains a lot. For some reason I thought you were older.
assuming that all parties{coffeeshops} in the dope transaction are being clear and honest ..then.. it is NOT hard at ALL to find *organic *soil grown cannabis in amsterdam..._non i appreciate your enquiry as i myself am a big fan of properly grown herb ie.organic..if you follow one simple piece of advice i promise you that you will find what you are looking for..go to deDampkring...i have said it before and i will again..IMO they have the best ganja in amsterdam..they have one or two rivals but for sheer selection,quality,and price i dont believe they can beaten..ask for any of Somas strains as has been previously wisely recommended...they clearly define Bio and Organic in most coffeeshops if you ask them..particularly in the high quality places...that previous article you posted seems pretty funny to me..that guy actually sounds like a newbie..im not doubting his credentials..but i mean.. he references Katsu as a place to go and yet doesnt seem to make any specific mention of THEIR product ..yet if he had it would have been good ..because if you have been to Katsu you will know what i mean...its the BOMB...its probably my second or third fav...how he went to the dam and smoked nothing but crap(which CAN be easily found)..with his expertise ..its beyond me..anyway go to Dampkring ..everything else wil be taken care of believe me hehe :)


















we all gonna dance the same dance
Oh, you're a student? That explains a lot. For some reason I thought you were older.

Actually, I am older. Even with a degree, I'm always a student. To say anything less would be foolish.

jahshua -

Thanks for the kind words and the tip. Ironically, although many may feel I'm sketching out a very hard outline of where I plan to go - day by day - when I eventually get to the damn.. In reality though, I've decided only to hit a few shops of note, and play the rest by ear. The Dampkring is indeed one of the few on my "can't miss" list, along with betty boop, the noon (although I got a bit bummed to discover the genetics of the blueberry to be indica) and the abarax. Katsu, Kandinsky and chocolata (whatever) are also notable mentions.

Anyhow, here is the full article from Marijuanna Man if you are curious:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/1325.html

He was a Cup Judge for the period. ;)


_non
The fallafel we get here in Lebanon is much better than the fallafel from amsterdam. Plus the chick peas are organically grown.
Just to explain myself abit, here is another snippet for a seperate cannabis culture article (written a few years before the last one) that goes out of its way to reinforce the dutch criticisms:


Happy Holland, Sad Hydro?

It is a great responsibility to report findings one week a year from the world cannabis genetics forum in Amsterdam. I approach the task with gusto and train all year round. I keep my tolerance high and my palate adjusted, so that the outstanding cannabis I cross paths with stands out from the other 95% that I slam.

Holland makes me happy. So civilized, even if it's not perfect. Canada's not bad either; good from afar, but far from good. At least as the laws go, the herb's another story.


The main problem with Dutch herb is overfertilization. It won't burn to a clean, grey ash the way it should. The joints tend to need relighting and burn to black chunkies. No wonder they add more tobacco than pot; that's the only way it will burn. Needless to say, I didn't smoke their hydro for the whole week. It was mostly NL#5xHaze and White Widow varietal entries from every shop anyhow.

The lack of variety made sampling most of the entries uninteresting, unless you enjoy underdeveloped, overfertilized (unleached), poorly cured, commercial hydro. However, I enjoyed judging the hash entries and finding palatable organic bud.



Bio or Organic?

"Bio" is the Dutch term given to all soil grown pot. It does not necessarily mean organically grown as we tend to think of it in North America. If you grow in peat moss and feed it salts it is not "organic" but it would qualify as "bio".

The best organic pot at the Cup was grown in Amerikkka. Hawaiian, Oregonian, Washingtonian and NY were in full effect. Kudos, you know who you are. I was in the right place at the right time, which is about the only way you get real good Hawaiian. Someone passed it to Ed, who passed it to me.



Again, this is only a snippet of a larger trend, a trend that gets mentioned everytime CC does an article about Amsterdam. I'm sure you can now see why somebody might be inclined to inquire on this subject if their familiarity with the quality comes solely from CC articles.
going to Yo Yo. I was just there two weeks ago and the gear (Citral) was awful: brown, dry, shake in a pre-weighed bag. There were two children (about 9 years old) running around the shop and the proprietor did not seem all that thrilled to be the holder of a coffeeshop license!

A note on chapped lips: Never had an issue, even on the crawl.
Hey mebbe he wants to sell to a "Confederation of Channels coffeeshop crawlers"!
I can almost see the sign :"CRAWLERS COFFEESHOP" best hash "NIGHTCRAWLER" best bud "CITRALCRAWL" lmao!
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