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unrest Cars burnt after Amsterdam death



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7054903.stm
Just when I think my opinion of mobs can't get any lower, something like this happens.
more coverage....
www.digitaljournal.com/article/240329/Moroccan_D
Really sad. I fear for the young immigrants.
PotHead
Wow.....we got some compassion here! Do tell?
Cheech
OK Pothead, please help me to understand your point. Some police officers are minding their own business, putting in a day's work, looking forward to quitting time so they can go home to their families, and a psychopath stabs 2 of them FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. Naturally, exercising their God-given (or "innate", if you prefer) right to defend themselves, one of them shoots the psychopath. Perfectly understandable, by my calculus.

By some twisted logic understood only by themsleves, members of the psychopath's community decide they have been "violated" and proceed to fire test some Amsterdam vehicles....apparently in protest over the shooting, since, after all, the Moroccan-Dutch youth have a right to stab people--including government workers (police)----any time they are having a bad day. Or feel "oppressed". Apparently.

If it was your brother, or your sister, or your parent that had been stabbed, would you "fear" for the mutant who attacked him/her, or would you fear for your family member?

I think you would fear for the victim of the stabbing, not the mutant. Your logic eludes me. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but how many people have to die before we start assigning blame to the inititators of violence?
our opinions don't matter. what matters is Dutch law and whether the Dutch Polite correctly adhered to it or not. is a Dutch cop allowed to shoot dead a person with only a knife who has already attacked the officer? were there other means of deterring this deranged individual that didn't involve his death? etc.
And while this may have some bearing on how the incident is handled by the Dutch judicial system...

It would still have no bearing on my disgust with those destroying vehicles ; nor, assuming they don't own the vehicles in question, does it change my lack of concern for the perpetrators well being.
From the article:
...
On Sunday, Bajaka entered the police station of Slotervaart, stabbing two police officers with a knife.

Although having sustained serious injuries, one of the officers, a policewoman, shot and killed her alleged attacker on the spot.
...

From the age of 13 up to his death on Sunday, the police said, Bajaka had been involved in several major criminal incidents, including armed robberies and a series of violent incidents. He was allegedly part of a criminal gang.
...


I'd say it's a good thing he's dead. He walks into a police station and stabs two police officers; how can anyone possibly fault the police? I have compassion for his victims and his family.
A man jumps over the reception desk of the police and immediately stabs the police woman in the chest, she tries to get away and he stabs her two more times in the back. Another police officer comes to her aid and is stabbed in neck and shoulders by frenzied attacker. The police woman somehow is able to shoot the attacker dead. Both officers are severly injured. Altho there of course will be an official investigation, the circumstances seem to leave little doubt of the outcome.

The governments soft handed approach until now is under extreme presssure. Of course, its a never ending spiral of being soft as to not cause more tension which in turn may lead to more violence due to the fearlessness of the young criminals.
It must feel sorta good to be the woman that killed a man stabbing her. Is that a strange thing to think?
Cheech
And while this may have some bearing on how the incident is handled by the Dutch judicial system...

It would still have no bearing on my disgust with those destroying vehicles

agreed! my reply was with respect to "was it just to shoot the stabber" and wasn't addressing the rioting at all.
basing my opinion on "RealityCzech's" reply, i'm thinking the lady should'ah shot the m/f a few more times

....some people are for the pro-abortion argument
From the article:
...
On Sunday, Bajaka entered the police station of Slotervaart, stabbing two police officers with a knife.

Although having sustained serious injuries, one of the officers, a policewoman, shot and killed her alleged attacker on the spot.
...

From the age of 13 up to his death on Sunday, the police said, Bajaka had been involved in several major criminal incidents, including armed robberies and a series of violent incidents. He was allegedly part of a criminal gang.
...

I'd say it's a good thing he's dead. He walks into a police station and stabs two police officers; how can anyone possibly fault the police? I have compassion for his victims and his family.

Sounds like "suicide by cop" to me. Personally I feel for the poor polite who had to shoot this maniac. Now they should find, and shoot, the rest of them.

No peace
It must feel sorta good to be the woman that killed a man stabbing her. Is that a strange thing to think?
CheechNot to me, but I want to arm (and train) more women. Guns equalize the potential for violence.
It must feel sorta good to be the woman that killed a man stabbing her. Is that a strange thing to think?
Cheech

I doubt if any but the most deranged of police officers (there are some) feel good about shooting anyone.

Peace
a knife can kill, I see nothing wrong with the reaction.
i think thats the way the USA would look at it. our area had an incident where a local officer approached a vehicle in bumper to bumper traffic on a highway and as he walked towards the drivers side, the perp. starting ramming the car in front of him and then tried to pin the officer against the highway divider. the officer shot the driver dead so that he wouldn't be killed and he was cleared on all charges. the perp. didn't have a gun.
is there a spillover effect of this violence into all parts of Mokum one wonders?

Which neighborhood is this occuring in specifically?

I was hoping to see BBC TV coverage of this last night but they did not.
Hey Chas

My sympathies go out to those who have been affected by this violence. I do not "fear for the victime of the stabbing" rather I have sincere sympathies for their senseless and profound loss.

I fear for the youth in this community who are easily swayed by extremist dogma. For some of the reasons you have correctly pointed out, they react against the rest of society. Instead of enjoying what the Netherlands has to offer, they are on a different fruitless path which can easily spiral out of control leading to more violence and destruction. The Netherlands has welcomed them but life has not turned out the way they might have expected. Now disgruntled, they take non-pacifistic actions to the detriment of the rest of their and other's communities. No good can come of this and these misguided youth will suffer. I condemn their violent actions and fear more will follow; these perpetrators need to take full responsibilities for their actions and be prosecuted.

I hope I have clarified myself and I want you to know that I am in agreement with what you have said. I hope you have a peaceful and prosperous life that you can fully enjoy.

PotHead



Police in the Dutch city of Amsterdam say several cars have been set on fire in the sixth night of unrest after officers shot a Moroccan man dead.
The 22-year old was killed after entering a police station where he stabbed two police officers.

Eleven cars have been set on fire this week in the Slotervaart district of Amsterdam, which is mainly populated by immigrants.

Police said that a group of about 35 young people were behind the trouble.

"There is a lot of police in the streets. This is the work of a few who take advantage of the situation," said a spokesman.

The dead Moroccan man, identified as Bilal B, had been receiving treatment for psychiatric problems.

He had been questioned over contact with Islamic extremists who were linked to the murder of film maker Theo van Gogh in 2004.

About 1m of the Netherlands' 16m population are Muslims.



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