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New Miss Belgium gets Flemish tongues wagging




BRUSSELS (AFP) - Belgium's political tensions entered the glamour stakes after it was revealed that the new Miss Belgium does not speak Dutch.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071217/od_afp/belgiumpoliticspeopleoffbeat
Can she cook?
Dutch is hardly the language of love. I think the French language is just right for a beauty queen.
Well, IMO Joe should let them order their cheesesteaks in any language whatsoever.....then just serve them whatever he feels like...or has the most of left over, lol

Change the sign


Peace
To me, listening to people speaking French, is like nothing but slurs. Not pretty. Dutch seems to be precise.

Dag
TAK
Well, since when have beauty queens been smart, did you see the some of the responses to the questions asked to the Miss USA pageants every year!?!?! The only things these women can say is, "I wish for world peace." It is a non stop sense of entertainment. For a beauty queen to not know a native language is a riot! Come on guys this is FUN!!! hehehe

Jer
Dutch is like clearing your throat.
With a yodel kind of mix with starvin' Marvin all blended together. ;)

Jer
Well, since when have beauty queens been smart, did you see the some of the responses to the questions asked to the Miss USA pageants every year!?!?! The only things these women can say is, "I wish for world peace." It is a non stop sense of entertainment. For a beauty queen to not know a native language is a riot! Come on guys this is FUN!!! hehehe

Jer

Poulicek, a 20-year-old language student, speaks French, Czech and English, but Flemish tabloid daily Het Laatste Niuews headlined its Monday edition with: "Miss Belgium does not speak Dutch".


Seems a bit unfair......
Well, since when have beauty queens been smart, did you see the some of the responses to the questions asked to the Miss USA pageants every year!?!?! The only things these women can say is, "I wish for world peace." It is a non stop sense of entertainment. For a beauty queen to not know a native language is a riot! Come on guys this is FUN!!! hehehe

Jer

Poulicek, a 20-year-old language student, speaks French, Czech and English, but Flemish tabloid daily Het Laatste Niuews headlined its Monday edition with: "Miss Belgium does not speak Dutch".


Seems a bit unfair......


It would be as if Miss USA, were fluent in three languages and in her native tongue only be able to speak Ebonics, Spanglish, or White trash. What makes me laugh is that she has not the command over her own native language, then put herself out in the public eye. I am not Judging, just being entertained by those in the public eye, aparently you do not really think people in the public eye are funny, and that is part of their life.

Besides, it is just the Media having fun with it.

Jer
No, A native language. Just like Spanish is now a native language in America.

Just because you live in Belgium does not mean that you have to speak Dutch just as if you live in America you don't have to know English.
No, A native language. Just like Spanish is now a native language in America.

Just because you live in Belgium does not mean that you have to speak Dutch just as if you live in America you don't have to know English.

Exactly my point. You couldn't even compete here if you could not answer the questions in the native language of the competition. And no Spanish has yet to be considered a NATIVE language of America. No you don't have to know English here, but you would HAVE to know it to be Miss America.

Jer
A couple weeks ago I had to go to Walmart. Signs hung from the ceiling describing the departments in Spanish and on the other side was English. So I had to walk up to the signs and walk around them to read in English. I came home morally outraged.

Cheech
Yeah that can be a pain, but then remember Europe, there are signs in several languages. I am willing to bend if the people that come here are. Tourists are one thing, but if you are not able to speak english, and you LIVE here, you really need to take someone out to help you out.

Just my opinion.

Jer
PHILADELPHIA - A small sign that asked customers to order in English at a famous cheesesteak shop was never meant to be offensive, the shop's owner testified Friday at a hearing to decide whether the policy was discriminatory.

Joe Vento, the owner of Geno's Steaks, defended his policy before the Philadelphia Commission on Human Relations, which filed the discrimination complaint.

"This country is a melting pot, but what makes it work is the English language," Vento told the commission. "I'm not stupid. I would never put a sign out to hurt my business."

Vento posted two small signs in October 2005 at his shop in a diverse South Philadelphia neighborhood, telling customers, "This is AMERICA: WHEN ORDERING PLEASE 'SPEAK ENGLISH.'"

He said Friday that he posted the sign because of concerns over the debate on immigration reform and the increasing number of people from the area who could not order in English.

Camille Charles, a sociology professor at the University of Pennsylvania, testified that Vento's signs harken back to the "Whites only" postings of the Jim Crow era.

"The signs give a feeling of being unwelcome and being excluded," Charles said.

No ruling is expected for at least two months, the three-member panel said.

After extensive publicity in 2006, the commission began investigating whether Vento violated a city ordinance that prohibits discrimination in employment, public accommodation and housing on the basis of race, ethnicity or sexual orientation.

In February, the commission found probable cause against Geno's Steaks for discrimination, alleging that the policy at the shop discourages customers of certain backgrounds from eating there.

Paul M. Hummer, an attorney for the commission, testified Friday that the sign is not about political speech, but about "intimidation," and that it suggested business from certain individuals was not wanted.

The hearing was held at the Arch Street Meeting House, given to the Philadelphia Quakers by William Penn in 1693. The building is billed as a symbol of "tolerance, equality and peace."
And through comes Birdman with another relevant TRUE story. Thanks Bird.

Now I think that we should figure out why there is braille on the ATM at the drive though? Does that not seem a bit counter productive?

Jer
This may be an obvious question, but what's the point of the cheesesteak sign being written in English? Might it be better in Spanish, or the language(s) of the clientele yanking your particular chain?

BW
i'd like to give her a good tongue lashing.

btw, if i remember my spanish correctly, i believe it's

s:.
Ugh. If you wouldve said Spanish, ok. But French??
Ugh. If you wouldve said Spanish, ok. But French??

Why is it that people think that French is such a hot language?

Jer
Ugh. If you wouldve said Spanish, ok. But French??

Why is it that people think that French is such a hot language?

Jer

Beats me. I dont like it, its overly sweet which makes me believe its fake.
Ugh. If you wouldve said Spanish, ok. But French??

Why is it that people think that French is such a hot language?

Jer

Beats me. I dont like it, its overly sweet which makes me believe its fake.

Sounds like a slurring drunk to me.

Jer
I have met several Belgians that were from the french speaking south. They also spoke no dutch. Nor did they want to. Apparently the french speaking Belgians do not like the dutch speaking northerners. These two I mentioned wouldn't speak it, although I can't see how they wouldn't understand it, living in the same country with a majority of dutch speakers. I think they choose not to. I met a dutch speaking flemish man who spoke dutch primarily, but could converse in french very well. He said there was animosity between the two cultures. About 60% of the country is dutch speaking and 40% french speaking. She is beautiful in any language. Whew!
Ugh. If you wouldve said Spanish, ok. But French??

Why is it that people think that French is such a hot language?

Jer


people who think that at times mainly do so because of the sexy french girl speaking it at those times of course :)
No, A native language. Just like Spanish is now a native language in America.

Just because you live in Belgium does not mean that you have to speak Dutch just as if you live in America you don't have to know English.

but "living in Belgium" seems a bit different from "being Miss Belgium" don't you think? I could care less about having a "national language" myself but Belgium has one. So in this situation where she is supposed to represent the country I'd say that being able to speak the "national language" should be a bare minimum and being able to speak additional languages commonly spoken in that country would make her an even broader representative of the country. But again if Belgium didn't have a "national language" I'd say who cares if she can speak Dutch / Flemish or not.
Ugh. If you wouldve said Spanish, ok. But French??

Why is it that people think that French is such a hot language?

Jer


people who think that at times mainly do so because of the sexy french girl speaking it at those times of course :)


Point WELL taken!! Yeah, just about any language can be hot depending on who it comes from. hehehe, man that conjures a visual!!! ;)

Jer
No Belgium has three national languages
No Belgium has three national languages

Cool I didn't realize that but an internet search reveals that its Dutch, French, and German although less than 1% of the population speaks German. Well with that fun fact in mind, I guess the critics argument is that the Belgian use of Dutch is far more common.
I think many Flemish are fed up with the Walloons (Koopa, wasn't it you who loves the word Walloon?) not speaking Dutch, whilst all the Flemish speak French. Walloon is a less wealthy part of Belgium and receives a lot of money from Flanders, yet they can't be arsed to learn Dutch, even when they live and work in Dutch speaking cities like Antwerp. The whole langauge issue is an important part of the current governing crisis.
Living in a Dutch country and not speaking it. How rude.
LOL'

Dag
TAK
Ugh. If you wouldve said Spanish, ok. But French??

french is the language of arrogant people
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