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you are both fucking idiots...do one!

NYNY, again, no one likes you.

You are the biggest jerk ever on Channels.

Suck it assclown.

Just keep showing the world what a jerk you truly are.

You do a wonderful job of it.

You are such a hypocritical, cowardly ass.

Where are your similar stupid, disrespectful statements about the Koran, the Torah, about Buddhist teachings?

Really, will me saying shit about the koran or torah make you happy?

It's all bullshit.

But you are such a vapid moron that you will believe anything.

Dumbass, keep being brainwashed. Just because your parents brainwashed you, doesn't mean you need to keep believing it.

Wake up clueless!

Jesus as a Reincarnation of Horus

Jesus was referred to as the chief cornerstone (i.e., capstone) - a reference to an Egyptian pyramid. The chief cornerstone of the pyramid is same symbol for Horus, the Egyptian god and savior. Like the Egyptian pharoah, Jesus was called a shepherd who rules the nations with a staff. Horus was a popular Egyptian god who was the son of Osiris and Isis. Osiris and Horus were both solar deities. Osiris was the setting sun, Horus the rising sun. Jesus is the rising Son and the morning star. The pharoah was considered to be an incarnation of Horus (also known as "Amen-Ra," the sun god). In the same way, Jesus is considered to be the incarnation of his heavenly Father. Horus was the lamb of God who took away the sins of the world. Horus had an adversary named "Set". Jesus' adversary was "Satan".

The story of Horus can be found in "The Egyptian Book of the Dead (also known as the "Papyrus of Ani") written over 3,000 years before the birth of Christ.

Identical Life Experiences
(1) It is written that both Horus and Jesus existed before their incarnations.
(2) Horus was born of the virgin Isis on December 25th in a cave/manger.
(3) Horus' birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
(4) The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: "Out of Egypt have I called my son." (Matt. 2:15)

(5) He was a child teacher in the temple and was baptized by Anup the Baptizer when he was thirty years old.

(6) He had twelve disciples and performed miracles such as feeding bread to the multitude and walking on water.

(7) He raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
(8) He transfigured on a mount.
(9) He also had titles such as the "way, the truth, the light, the Messiah, God's anointed Son, the Son of Man, the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the Word, the Morning Star, the light of the world.

(10) He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the lamb, lion and fish ("Ichthys").
(11) Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
(12) Horus was called "KRST," or "Anointed One.
(13) He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
(14) The adoration of the Virgin and Child is connected with both the adoration of Isis and the infant Horus and the adoration of Mary and infant Jesus. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis, the original "Madonna and Child."

(15) Concerning the writing of the Gnostics, C. W. King, a noted English author, says: "To this period belongs a beautiful sard in my collection, representing Serapis,...whilst before him stands Isis, holding in one hand the sistrum, in the other a wheatsheaf, with the legend: 'Immaculate is our lady Isis,' the very term applied afterwards to that personage who succeeded to her form, her symbols, rites, and ceremonies" (Gnostics and Their Remains, p. 71).

(16) Osiris, Isis, and Horus are the principal trinity of the Egyptian religions. God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit is the Christian trinity. Dr. Inman affirms the Egyptian roots of the Christian trinity "The Christian trinity is of Egyptian origin, and is as surely a pagan doctrine as the belief in heaven and hell, the existence of a devil, of archangels, angels, spirits and saints, martyrs and virgins, intercessors in heaven, gods and demigods, and other forms of faith which deface the greater part of modern religions" (Ancient Pagan and Modem Christian Symbolism, p. 13).

(17) Dr. Draper says: "For thirty centuries the Egyptians had been familiar with the conception of a triune God. There was hardly a city of any note without its particular triads. Here it was Amum, Maut, and Khonso; there Osiris, Isis, and Horus" (Intellectual Development, Vol. I, p. 191).

(18) Dr. Draper stated: "Views of the Trinity, in accordance with Egyptian tradition, were established. Not only was the adoration of Isis under a new name restored, but even her image standing on the crescent moon reappeared. The well-known effigy of that goddess, with the infant Horus in her arms, has descended to our days in the beautiful artistic creations of the Madonna and Child." (Conflict, p. 48).

(19) Mrs. Besant believes that Christianity has its main roots in Egypt: "It grew out of Egypt; its gospels came from thence ; its ceremonies were learned there; its Virgin is Isis; its Christ, Osiris and Horus."

(20) There are two stories connected with Horus that is analogous to stories found in the Old Testament. The hiding of the infant Horus in a marsh by his mother undoubtedly parallels the story of the hiding of the infant Moses in a marsh by his mother. When Horus died, Isis implored Ra, the sun, to restore him to life. Ra stopped his ship in mid-heaven and sent down Thoth, the moon, to bring him back to life. The stopping of the sun and moon by Isis recalls the myth of the stopping of the sun and moon by Joshua.

"Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." - Horus, (Book of the Dead, Ch. 173)

"Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once." - Jesus, (John 13:31-32)

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You are such a hypocritical, cowardly ass.

Where are your similar stupid, disrespectful statements about the Koran, the Torah, about Buddhist teachings?

Any idiot knows much of what happened in the bible was historically true.

Sure, Moses didn't part the red sea. That was something made up.

However, nobody but an idiot would say something as stupid as you just did.

When Was The Bible Written?

The Bible was written over a period of 1400 to 1800 years by more than 40 different authors. The Bible is a compilation of 66 separate books, divided into two primary divisions: the Old Testament (containing 39 books) and the New Testament (containing 27 books). It is believed that all of the books of the Bible were written under inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

The first five books of the Old Testament (known as the Pentateuch or Torah) was written by Moses during the forty years that the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness (1450 - 1410 B.C.). The twelve historical books of the Old Testament continue to record the history of the people of Israel under the leadership of Joshua, through the period of the Judges and the reign of the kings of Israel. The books of Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther record the history of Israel following its period of captivity under Babylonian rule. The historical books span the history of Israel from 1050 - 465 B.C.

The books of Job, the Psalms, the Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Solomon are considered the poetical books of the Old Testament. Scholars have been unable to determine with any specificity when Job was written. Based upon the manners and customs recorded in the text, many believe that the book was written during the time of the Patriarchs of the faith. The individual Psalms, comprising the entire collection, were written from the days of Israel's Exodus to its restoration after the Babylonian captivity. Many of the Psalms were written by King David during his reign over Israel. The entire book was compiled between 1000 - 300 B.C.

King David's son, Solomon is credited with writing Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon, during his reign (971 - 931 B.C.). The seventeen Prophetical books of the major and minor prophets span Israel's history from 700 - 450 B.C. For 400 years after the writing of the Book of Malachi, the Lord was silent and the Old Testament was closed.

It is generally agreed that the Book of Mark was the first Gospel written and that it was written between A.D. 50 and 75. Of the four Gospel's, John's is considered to have been the last one written, around A.D. 85. The Book of Acts, a historical account of the establishment of the early Christian church, is believed to have been written by one of the Apostle Paul's associates, around A.D. 62 (near the end of Paul's imprisonment in Rome).

The Pauline Epistles (the Apostle Paul's letters to the early church) were authored between A.D. 50 - 67. The author of Hebrews is unknown, but the book is commonly thought to have been written around A.D. 70. The epistles of the other Apostles were written between A.D. 48 - 90.

The Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is believed to have been penned by the Apostle John between A.D. 70 - 95.

do better research - all the books were finished by 95 AD

Fuck the bible, it was written 400+ years after all that shit happened if any of that shit happened, which is very doubtful.

Duh

Remember, those are the mores and customs under which the Constitution was written.

It's about time for a new edition, IMO.

Same goes for the Bible. Some new commandments maybe to suit the right like if someone disagrees with you kill them. Maybe get rid of some out date stuff like how much to pay for your slaves.

Yet another ridiculous statement.

Do you even understand the concept of "historical context"?

Remember, those are the mores and customs under which the Constitution was written.

It's about time for a new edition, IMO.

Same goes for the Bible. Some new commandments maybe to suit the right like if someone disagrees with you kill them oh I'm sorry that's already in there. Maybe get rid of some out date stuff like how much to pay for your slaves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNVFVafXqjw&feature=related

Remember, those are the mores and customs under which the Constitution was written.

It's about time for a new edition, IMO.

"Why can't jesus eat m&m's?"

They fall through his hands!

"What's the difference between jesus and a painting?"

It takes only one nail to hang a painting!

Jesus dies and goes up to Heaven. The first thing he does is look for his father, as he has never met the man before and is curious as to what he looks like, and whether or not Jesus looks like his mother or father, etc. He looks high and low but cannot find him.

He asks St. Peter "Where is my father?" But St. Peter says he doesn't know.

He asks the archangel Gabriel "Where is my father?" But Gabriel doesn't know.

He asks John the Baptist "Where is my father?" But John does not know. So he wanders Heaven, impatiently searching.

Suddenly he sees out of the mist an old man coming toward him. The man is very old, with white hair, stooped over a little. "Stop!" Jesus yells. "Who are you?"

"Oh, please help me, I am an old man in search of my son." Jesus is very curious. Could this be his father? "Tell me of your son, old man."

"Oh, you would know him if you saw him. Holes in his hand where the nails used to be, he was nailed to a cross, you know..."

"Father!!!!!" Screams Jesus.

"Pinocchio!!!!!!!" yells the old man.

As did Washington. What differentiated them from many of their contemporaries was their what was then considered â€˜ethicalâ€™ treatment of them. As reprehensible as slavery is one must remember not to only view history with todays mores and overly demonize what was then acceptable and commonplace just to satisfy modern sensibilities.

Absolutely correct. I call it "historical context".

When one looks at history and the way people lived, it helps to understand the mores and customs of the period in which they lived.

For instance, in Huckelberry Finn, Clemens uses the word "nigger" quite freely. Simply because it was a commonly used term for a black person circa 1860 or so. In today's world, quite obviously it is a taboo word that is not used by "civilized" people anymore.

yes.

Thank GOD he's banned from textbooks in Texas.

wtf did he ever do for this country?

â€œI never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance, or admit the right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.â€

Excellent quote Blackstone.

Unfortunately, as brilliant a man as Jefferson was, he was a bit of a hypocrite. He rejected intolerance, but owned slaves.

Still an excellent quote and quite apropos to the discussion at hand.

Itâ€™s interesting reading all the bias and intolerence disguised as jokes, however, this thread only confirms my agreement with Thomas Jefferson when he wrote in a letter to Edward Dawse, â€œI never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance, or admit the right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.â€

they thought this was funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-FvRngn81Y

Kurt Vonnegut's The Cats Cradle if you haven't read it yet is a good example of the church and states relationship and it's funny.

All religions are fairy tales made up by men to control people.

At least Red Pleb gets it.

Birdman, Yogi and the rest of you.

Where are the jokes about Islam or Mohammed?

Really, NYNY, do I need to look up a muslim joke to make you happy?

Islam is a fairy tale too.

That isn't a joke. It is a stupid, disrespectful statement about something billions of people deeply believe.

So, no it doesn't make me happy for you to make jokes about any religion.

If you need to tell jokes about religion to make you feel better, more important, whatever your reason, it does not make me happy.

However, since you feel the need to act like an immature child, at least include Islam and other religions when you are feeling disrespectful.

I only consider it fair and equal treatment. Nothing more.

Sorry I never met to leave out the Muslims or you for that matter the biggest joke on channels. KMAMF

You never "met to leave out the muslims"?

Then why did I have to prod you to include them?

You shouldn't be calling other people "the biggest joke" of anything based upon this latest lame post of yours.

An Episcopalian is either a Roman Catholic who flunked Latin or a Presbyterian whose stocks paid off.

A poor widow with three young daughters lived near the Methodist church. The pastor went to visit and invited them to services.

"We would love to come," said the woman, "but we don't have any Sunday clothes."

The pastor went back to the church and talked to some of the women in the church who bought and delivered a really nice Sunday outfit for the woman and each of her three daughters.

The next Sunday, the whole congregation watched for the family, but they never showed. Disappointed, the pastor went to their house after the service and asked why they did not attend church.

"Well," the woman said, "we got all dressed up in our new clothes, and we looked so nice that we went to the Episcopal Church instead!"

Nothing but Christian jokes?

Not a joke, a pun, a funny story, not even a whisper about muslims or Islam.

Unless you make similar jokes about Islam, you are either a coward or a politically correct bigot.

Sorry I never met to leave out the Muslims or you for that matter the biggest joke on channels. KMAMF

An American decided to write a book about famous Mosques around the world. So he bought a plane ticket and took a trip to China.

On his first day he was inside a Mosque taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read "$10,000 per call".

The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for. The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to Allah. The American thanked the priest and went along his way.

Next stop was in Japan. There, at a very large Mosque, he saw the same golden telephone with the same sign under it. He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he had seen in China and he asked a nearby Holy man what its purpose was. He told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to Allah. "O.K., thank you," said the American.

He then traveled to India, Sri Lanka, Russia, Turkey, Israel, France, Germany,. In every Mosque he saw the same golden telephone with the same "$10,000 per call" sign under it.

The American, upon leaving Vermont decided to travel to Pakistan to see if Pakistanis had the same phone. He arrived in Pakistan, and again, in the first Mosque he entered, there was the same golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read "One Rupee per call."

The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign. "Imam, I have traveled all over World and I have seen this same golden telephone in many Mosques. I am told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but everywhere the price was $10,000 per call."

"Why is it so cheap here?"

The priest smiled and answered, "You are in Pakistan now, son - it is a local call".

Q. What do you call a Muslim who owns a camel and a goat?
A. Bisexual.

Q. How do Muslims practice safe sex?
A. They mark the camels that kick.

Q. What do Tehran and Hiroshima have in common?
A. Nothing, yet.

Q. What do you call a Muslim who owns 6 goats?
A. A pimp.

Q. whats the difference between a truck full of dead Muslim babies and a truck full of bowling balls?
A. The bowling bowls are hard to pick up with a pitchfork.

Q: How do you tell a Sunni from a Shiite?
A: The Sunnis are the ones with the Shiite blown out of them.

Q. What's the hardest part about a Muslim killing his own daughter?
A. Suppressing the erection.

Q: How can you tell if a Muslim girl is old enough to marry?
A: Make her stand in a barrel. If her chin is over the top, she's old enough. If it isn't, cut the barrel down until her chin is over the top.

Q. What's the difference between a Muslim and a vampire?
A. At some point the vampire will stop being bloodthirsty.

A Muslim walks into his local mosque with a big grin on his face.

"What are you so happy about, Abdul?" Asks the Imam.

"Well, I'll tell you," replies Abdul. "I live by the railroad tracks and on my way home last night, I noticed a young woman tied to the rails, like in the American movies. I cut her free and took her back to my humble abode. Allah be praised - we made love all night, all around the tent. We did everything, me on top, sometimes her on top, every position permitted by Mohammed, Peace Be Upon Him!"

"By the most Merciful," exclaimed the Imam, "you have been blessed. Was she as beautiful as a desert flower?"

Abdul grimaced, "By the Jinn, I do not know - I never found her head."

Q. What's the difference between ET and Muslims?
A. ET got the point and went home.

I went to a Muslim birthday party last night. Damn if that wasn't the fastest game of Hot Potato I've ever seen!

Q. Why are there only 2 pallbearers at a Muslim funeral?
A. There's only 2 handles on a garbage can.

Q. What do you say to a Pakistani at Christmas?
A. A quart of milk, a loaf of bread and a pack of Marlboros please.

Q. What do you call a bus with 2 Somalis falling off a cliff?
A. A waste, you could have fit at least 50 in the bus!

Q. What do you call a Muslim between two houses?
A. Ali.

Q. When's the only time you should wink at a Muslim?
A. When aiming.

NewsFlash

Reports say the stench from the thousands of bodies in Pakistan is unbearable. Police report that it's likely to get worse now that there are dead ones.

Q. What can Saudi Arabia do to raise the average IQ in the country?
A. Allow Jews to come in.

A Russian, a Cuban, an Englishman and a Pakistani are on a train.

The Russian takes out a bottle of his best vodka, drinks a bit and throws the rest off the train and says, "There's plenty more of that where I come from."

Everyone is impressed. The Cuban takes out one of the finest Havana cigars, takes one puff and throws it off the train and says, "There's plenty more of those where I come from."

Again everyone is rather impressed. So the Englishman stands up and throws the Pakistani off the train.

Q: Where do you find a Muslim with no legs?
A: Right where you left him.

Q: What's the difference between Dar al-islam and Dannon yogurt?
A: The yogurt has a living culture.

OK, to be equally offensive to Jews, just to be fair:

Q. How was copper wire invented?
A. Once, two Jews grabbed the same penny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU1stt0okdM

...Kurt Westergaard has a few I believe.

I guess that Mohammed must have told him this gag.

A man is taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he sees a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog . He runs over and starts fighting with the dog. He succeeds in killing the dog and saving the girl's life. A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: "You are a hero, tomorrow you can read it in all the newspapers: "Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl" The man says: - "But I am not a New Yorker!" "Oh ,then it will say in newspapers in the morning: 'Brave American saves life of little girl'" â€“ the policeman answers. "But I am not an American!" â€“ says the man. "Oh, what are you then? " The man says: - "I am a Saudi !" The next day the newspapers says: "Islamic extremist kills innocent American dog.

At least Red Pleb gets it.

Birdman, Yogi and the rest of you.

Where are the jokes about Islam or Mohammed?

All I can say is God must have one hell of a sense of humour.

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I guess that Mohammed must have told him this gag.

A man is taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he sees a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog . He runs over and starts fighting with the dog. He succeeds in killing the dog and saving the girl's life. A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: "You are a hero, tomorrow you can read it in all the newspapers: "Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl" The man says: - "But I am not a New Yorker!" "Oh ,then it will say in newspapers in the morning: 'Brave American saves life of little girl'" â€“ the policeman answers. "But I am not an American!" â€“ says the man. "Oh, what are you then? " The man says: - "I am a Saudi !" The next day the newspapers says: "Islamic extremist kills innocent American dog.

Not quite fairy tales a less insidious. More people have died and still are in the name of the true religion what ever that is. I think it is just a case of insecurity that perpetuates these works of fiction. But Jesus was way cool. lol

I'll make fun of religion and fairy tales (same thing in my book).

Bashing Christianity, Catholocism or Judaism is politically acceptable, to the liberal thinking US citizen.

Next Ramadan, I expect to hear some jokes about Mohammed.

Unless of course, you liberal types are either too chicken shit or too politically correct to bash Islam.

Equality for all religions, includes making fun of all religions, does it not?

Are you a ' liberal thinking US citizen ' , then ?

Fervently offend and forgive frequently.

PANT WHEEZE PANT

You can tell me, little girl. :-) I will 'absolve' you.

LMAO you are killing me!

LOL cheech. I used to make up lies to the priest then confess that I lied to him.. ROFL

I still want to be Catholic so i can tell a man everything I did naughty.

try his facebook page

s:.

What's his cel number?

Tell that to the pope.

LOL!

They found the body

Skin a bit thin? I'm glad I stayed out, lol.

Peace

Not that you'd want to offend any Christians at all?

If that offended you I apologize.

It did but I thank you for the apology

:-)

Easter the day we celebrate the Christian Zombie and the vernal equinox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_gGAv1CnUg&feature=related

With all due respect, it was a harmless little joke that has been around for years. Catholics have far more to be worried bout then a little ribbing like that. If that offended you I apologize.

ffs I am Baptist at that point does it matter? lol

Yes, but is he Catholic? :-)

Thanks Pete but for some strange reason I would rather confess to NYNY.

YES. IT DOES. :-)

You may only confess to Catholic priests who sprinkle incest on their parishioners. :[)

Abracadabra!!!

***BREAKING NEWS***

August has been cancelled.

July and September will now each have 45 days, while the days formerly known as August 15th and 16th will now become a two-day statutory holiday not belonging to any month.

Checkpoint cannabis cafe owner appeals

Wednesday 07 April 2010

The owner of the Netherlands' biggest cafe, Checkpoint in Terneuzen, found guilty of breaking drugs trade laws and fined nearly â‚¬10m last month, is appealing against his conviction.

The main thrust of the appeal will be based on the judges' decision to find Willemsen and his staff guilty of membership of a criminal organisation, lawyer AndrÃ© Beckers told reporters.

It is likely to take a year before the appeal can be heard, news agency ANP said.

Â© DutchNews.nl

The new mayor sounds a bit too German, his name in the first place. The community has coffeeshops, and the people have been satisfied for a long time with the solution of separating soft drugs from hard drugs by means of the coffeeshops in Haarlem. Any movement to change the coffeeshop rules and policies must come from the people, with discussion at public meetings to hear all sides, and must not come from someone high up in a position of authority forcing his dictates on everybody else. If he gets his way, his whole plan to prohibit coffeeshops will force cannabis completely into invisible transactions with no transparency for legal redress of grievances and no taxes then either. The public should be scared of the violence this change will bring with it. Look what is going on in Mexico along the U.S.-Mexican border and in the U.S. in general as far as violence on this topic is concerned. Keep beating the Violence in Mexico drum, keep beating this drum, to stop Bernt Schneiders. There can be no Sieg Heil, Herr Schneiders. Come up with a solution to the backdoor problem, and the government can reap another layer of VAT from large and medium scale commercial producers. How? Simply appoint a committee seeking input from the coffeeshop operators about how many jobs can be created from doing so. Meneer Schneiders, just go for the moneygrab, just like the U.S. is slowly moving toward the money grab toward legalizing cannabis to avoid more of the violence spilling over the border from Mexico. More jobs, more in tax revenues all mean less violence, more control.

Okay I sent it to the secretary and in the subject line I put "Re: A letter to Mayor Schneiders".

I also stuck all of this up in ACD forum, so hopefully we'll have a great turn out of people writing to him.

I mean c'mon: A few closed in Maastricht last year, maybe some in Haarlem this year, what if this asshole ever became Mayor of Amsterdam???? Think about it, people.

he does not do email himself, he has a secretary: mjhulsebos@haarlem.nl

nothing works in Haarlem City Hall, only the Mayor's sick brain...

I'll see if we can reach him...

I wrote him using that email address, Nol. This is the message I received back:

Deze mailbox is niet meer it.b.v. de column 'Vraag het de burgemeester' in het Haarlems Weekblad in gebruik. Heeft u een melding over schade aan de buitenruimte of een klacht over de gemeente dan kunt u gebruik maken van de contactmogelijkheden op de gemeentelijke website: www.haarlem.nl
contact.

Stupid Unelected mayor. Stage a protest and attempt to force him to resign. I hope things get better for you quickly.

Will do. Can you get another email address to use?

Mayor of Haarlem, the Netherlands, starts crusade against coffeeshops.

Haarlem used to be one of Hollandâ€™sâ€™ Cities with a very relaxed coffeeshop policy, maybe because the provincial capital served as the model for the changes in the coffeeshop policy nationwide.

Haarlem was the first municipality that prohibited the sa...le of alcohol from tolerated coffeeshops, the rest of the Dutch coffeeshops followed that example later. I promoted the â€œHaarlem Modelâ€ where ever I could, some of my colleagues used it successfully as their defense when it came to standing up against unfair coffeeshop regulations in their municipality.

The Haarlem coffeeshop entrepreneurs had annual meetings with representatives of the City Council and Police, during which changes in policy were discussed before being executed, or not. Coffeeshops had 3 to 4 checkups a year, executed by local officers of the Leisure Department and City Police.
There were never any upsets, because the coffeeshops caused no trouble whatsoever, the police focused on real crime, back then.During the last meeting we had with the City, we were told that if ever the policy towards coffeeshops was to change, we would be informed about it during a future meeting.

Little did we know this meeting would be the last, until now, but the rules towards coffeeshops in Haarlem have changed nevertheless, without informing the coffeeshop entrepreneurs, and their staff and customers.

Things started to change after our new Mayor, Bernt Schneiders was appointed for this job in Haarlem. He is known for not allowing a coffeeshop in his former town, Heemskerk, where he was Mayor for 5 years, before moving to Haarlem.
Heemskerk made a coffeeshop policy, allowing 1 coffeeshop in their town, a lot of people applied for the permit, amongst whom a friend of mine. He said it was very difficult to find a location, because no real estate agent wanted to sell or rent a premises to open a coffeeshop in Heemskerk.

My friend said the Mayor, Schneiders, told the real estate agencies not to rent or sell to wannabe coffeeshop owners, if they wanted to keep doing business in Heemskerk.
He did not finish his term in Heemskerk, he was appointed to become the Mayor in Haarlem, not elected, we do not have that much of democracy left. He is a Pv.d.A Mayor, from the same political party as our former mayors, so we did not worry about his appointment.

We never knew what hit us when Bernt, the new Sherriff, decided to start raiding coffeeshops, full blast, without informing us about the change in policy, as we were promised under the former Mayor, Mr. Jaap Pop.
Coffeeshops always had super low priority, as they never gave a reason for policing.

So when he hit the first two shops, our Sativa and the Maximillian, it was no surprise the Hit team found cannabis in the coffeeshops, more than 500 grams, that is. True, the Sativa had a little too much in the coffeeshop, and so did the Maximillian, but the quantities found were no reason for closure. The police also found 10 kiloâ€™s in an apartment above the Sativa, and a big stash (42 K) above the Maximillian. The Sativa was closed for 6 months, the Maximillian for a full year, by decision of Mayor Schneiders.
It was the first ever offense of both coffeeshops, no previous warning, no mercy, no chance in defense. In Maximillianâ€™s case, the Tax Office knew he had his stash upstairs, they kept track of his supply for revenue reasons, with the owners full cooperation.

After having the two shops closed, he must have found out Haarlem had no policy on coffeeshop offenses and closures, so he made one up, making sure the penalties already given were made â€˜legalâ€™ by using them as standard penalties in his policy for the future. We went to court twice, and we spoke to a independent committee, but all without result, we were and stayed closed for half a year.

Three months after reopening we got word of the committee, they had advised the Mayor to lower our penalty to 3 months, but the Mayor ignored their advice.In the end, Maximillian appealed with a small success, they were closed for 9 months, the higher Judge was more understanding than the Haarlem Judge.
The Mayor threatened he would appeal in the local press, but in the end he did not undertake any more action against â€˜the Maxâ€™. Today, 3 of Haarlems 16 coffeeshops are closed, by the Mayor, all for making the mistake to sell to 1 minor, no warning, no mercy, closed for 6 months.

This puts more pressure on the 13 left, because we all have a certain part of Haarlems tokers as customer, so the customers of the 3 shops shut down are spreading amongst the ones still open.Mayor Schneiders did not stop at harassing coffeeshops only, since January of this year he started going after our customers, on the street, he send his cops after people smoking a joint, to give them a 60 Euroâ€™s fine.

The police, read: undercover cops, even confiscated a 3 gram baggy of weed of one of our customers, just after he left the coffeeshop.
I called my Lawyer about this, he confirmed my thoughts, this was outrageous, and against the Opium Law, in which the coffeeshop tolerance policy is integrated.
He made up a summons, in cooperation with a Judge, the first time in Dutch history, in which the Head Prosecutor of Haarlem was told to stop pursuing and fining smokers in the street.

We went to the Police Headquarter the next day, to check if the Police were still fining pot smokers. After I notified the Police in the station about the smokers outside, twice, we smoked a 100 joints with about 40 protesters. The Police did not come out to fine us, so we left after almost an hour, mission accomplished, no more fines.

The excuse of the Police was that we were all adults, and did not cause any trouble in front of the station, as the newspaper printed the next day. Strange, they fined 5 of my customers, all adults, without causing trouble whatsoever, only a nice smellâ€¦

Our Lawyer also wrote the Haarlem Mayor, for a meeting about the coffeeshop policy changes, but, so far, he has not heard from Bernt â€œThe Marihuana Marshallâ€ Schneiders. We will probably end up suing him for our customers, he just ignores us, and our Lawyer as well.

Besides the mayor we are facing the results of the anti-coffeeshop propaganda we were fed by 4 consecutive Governments with Prime Minister Peter â€œ Harry Potterâ€ Balkenende, who is known for his zero coffeeshop policy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1990620.stm

A local newspaper, Haarlems Dagblad, put a poll on their website, stating: â€œ Should the police keep fining pot smokers in the streets?â€ It ended with 60 % in favor of not fining for joints in the streets, after we started participating, we were way down, before we noticed the poll.

Today we found out there is another poll running on the website of a local weekly paper, this time the question is:
â€œ Should the city close coffeeshops?â€

No argumentation, just like that, not if they should all be closed, or why, and how??
Of course we are way ahead in the poll, even non smokers do not want coffeeshops to close, but the mere presence of these polls is suspicious, and makes my adrenaline flow.

It seems the Mayor is being interviewed by this local weekly every forth night, for an update on his â€˜ workâ€™ as mayor of Haarlem, maybe he gave the paper a hint?

Mayor Bernt wants to uphold the Law, his Law, his way, but we, the coffeeshoppers* of Haarlem, are fed up with his harassment of coffeeshops, their owners, their staff and their customers.
More actions will follow soon, no use in writing him more letters, and we will come from all sides.

Therefore, I want to ask those who come to Holland and Haarlem for cannabis and coffeeshops to help me a bit.Under this message is Mayor Bernt Schneiders email, as I found it on the website of the local weekly, it is his ask-the-Mayor-mail.

I would like you to ask/aks him, in a polite way, why he is so opposed to coffeeshops. Please, no insults, show him we are civilized people, it would not help us if you call him a bitch.

I only want to add that Mayor Schneiders is appointed the Chairman of the Union of Dutch Mayors, if he can push this, his anti-coffeeshop tactics might become in action throughout the Netherlands.

Letâ€™s stop him here, invade his email box!Thanks for standing up with us.
vraaghetdeburgemeester@haarlem.nl Ask the Mayorâ€¦.

May the stash be with you,

Nol van Schaik,Secretary Team Haarlemsâ€™ Coffeeshopowners.

*Coffeeshoppers: All those who have a reason to be in a coffeeshop, so, the owners, the staff and the clientele.

http://www.pararius.com/english/clientHome.php

www.kamernet.nl

Try funda.nl

Hello,

I'm going to move to Amsterdam in about 5 months and I need a long term accomodation, I'm aiming to rent a studio aparment (we are 2 persons), it doesnÂ´t have to be in Amsterdam,it could be in a city nearby. My girlfriend is going to study there 4 years and I'm hoping to get a job ans stay with her. Any advice about getting a cheap apparment woudl be highly appreciated, thanks.

Thank you I will look in those websites ;)

I have had my Extreme for about a year and a half without any problems. I love it. My friend brings his wherever he goes, Amsterdam San Fran... It still works great. I have turned more than 10 friends onto the Extreme. Everyone loves them.

I can also tell you that Arizer will take care of you with any problem you may encounter.

NYNY, one thing that happend to me is that the screen that goes into the glass elbow was clogged and I couldn't figure out why my bag wasn't filling up very fast. I contacted Arizer and they helped me figure out my problem.

Chili

I enjoyed the Extreme when Chili Ed, Big D, and there buddy brought it to San Francisco and toked myself and my friend up! My friend liked it so much he bought one as soon as we returned to NJ. I've owned my Volcano since 2005 and still prefer it to the extreme for most of the reasons previously mentioned, but the Extreme was the first vaporizer other than the Volcano that I really enjoyed.

keep in mind that this was 3 months ago...its been fine since the fix..hopefully the probs are fixed and it performs...we also noticed the volcano fills up a 2 foot bag 30 seconds faster then the extreme..same vape results..so if ya got 30 seconds............................

Never hear of a hurricane. The extreme better not be as cheaply built as you say.

I will let you know in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for the information Bonglord.

the volcano is better built..so;id state components...havent had a prob in 5 years...heres the story of my friend trying to save money,,,.the first extreme he got,,the fan unit stopped in two weeks...at 2 uses a day....the second one didnt work at first and then only when it wanted to...we opened that one up and found the wire in the main power switch was just resting on the terminal rather then attached with a sta con the proper way...we attached it right and so far so good....the extreme is a cute knock off..hope yours lasts...generally the originals have problems...,volcano has theirs worked out....heres a good comparison..hurricane and tsunami...hurricane..solid..perfect ground glass,no air leaks...very hard to break.....tsunami..glass ground oblong,air leaks..very easy to break..bad stems..price diff..about 150 dollars...easy choice..quality over garbage...enjoy whatever yer smokin ..or vapin from

Just curious....how big is the chamber ?

Not sure what you mean.

The bowl is maybe 1/2 inch in diameter and about an inch deep.

It looks like it would hold the equivalent of 3-4 grams if neccessary.

Thats exactly what i wanted to know . Quite a large capacity , infact .

I have a close friend that just got an extreme . . . nice little unit . . . the whip or bag option is nice (many Volcano users have constructed their own "whip" option) . . . the "filling chamber" on the Volcano is substantially larger . . . having used both. . .with little to no emphasis on cost . . ( I also bought an Illadelph bong) Storz & Bickel is still my first choice . . .

Enjoy your Extreme!

Storz & Bickel our prenup is still in effect!

TLT

Toulouse,

I really wanted to buy a volcano, but as I previously stated, I thought it to be too expensive and a bit too big.

I would love to hear why you think the volcano is better. Perhaps you could compare the pros and cons between the two?

Thanks NY, I will take a look at this one, very useful info.

If you discover any optimum heat settings, please keep us posted.

Extreme's warranty from their website:

Heater has a Lifetime Warranty, Two years Parts and Labour on the Heating Unit.

Arizer has really great customer service. They respond to any questions promptly. I suggest anyone considering purchasing an Extreme that has questions to contact them.

Chili

Volcano VS Extreme price

Volcano $539
Extreme $300

Over a three year time span (warranty on both products)

3 (years) X 365 (days per year) =1095 (total days)

During that time the Volcano would cost you $0.49 per day
During the same time frame an Extreme would cost $0.27

The difference being $0.22 per day. I don't know about the rest of You only live once right? If $0.22 a day buys me the better vape, Im sure as hell down for it.

Just my opinion, and opinions are like assholes, we all have them.

Hey Chili,
If the Extreme is as good as a Volcano (in your opinion) and can hold up from years of abuse then why aren't they in use at Coffee shops in A'dam like the Volcano?

Im just not into gimmics. I want something tried and true. Volcano (Stortz & Bickle) don't even acknowledge there are any other Vapes on the market. yet lesser quality vapes are ALWAYS saying they are like the Volcano...... You know why? Because the Volcano is king of Vapes.

I have never said that the Extreme is as good as the Volcano and vice versa. What I have said is that the Extreme is a very good vaporizer. There are countless positive reviews all over the net. Owners really like their Extreme. I have had mine for more than a year an a half without a problem. I have traveled all over with it. It has been bumped around quite a bit. It has been tried and it is true...

I have used the Volcano many times. It's a very good product no doubt about it.

Just because you have not seen a particular vaporizer or other device in a CoffeeShop in Amsterdam does not mean that there are not other good products out there...

No need to be a follower. Think a little for yourself...

Chili

I also would watch out for the "blue lights." You may have an uncomfortable surprise.

P.S. As far as Ritchie's comments go, well I wouldn't pay much attention to him. He doesn't like the blue light and the remote control. These are no reasons to buy or not buy this unit....

Hey Chili,
If the Extreme is as good as a Volcano (in your opinion) and can hold up from years of abuse then why aren't they in use at Coffee shops in A'dam like the Volcano?

Im just not into gimmics. I want something tried and true. Volcano (Stortz & Bickle) don't even acknowledge there are any other Vapes on the market. yet lesser quality vapes are ALWAYS saying they are like the Volcano...... You know why? Because the Volcano is king of Vapes.

YUP, I have owned a volcano and two friends do as well. The only thing I like as much for a small unit, it the Vapolution. The ONLY glass on glass vape. Even the heating element in cast in glass, and if you break it it is under a hundred bucks to repair. Comes with AC adaptor and 12v for highway use, hehe, and you can opt for a battery pack and even stuff it in a big gulp cup. Had mine for a year w/o a single prob, and then a friend broke the element and I just sent it off and got a new one back. I love this unit. Even with the battery pack it warms up in like three minutes or less. Made in Ca, solid state and all electronics are separate from anything that goes NEAR the inhalant, ie incased in glass. Just my opinion. and the whole kit is like 250 if you are not getting the batteries(which you can make with the help of any hobbyshop, just 4 AA in series. I made a few extras for fun.....

Any company who voluntarily raises their free warranty from three to five years retroactively, is making a good (albeit expensive)product. Boney and Cheech's Volcano got quite the workout last Friday night!

Peace

A good friend of mine has a volcano..it is by far the best vape I have used. Though vapes in general can be a pain in the ass and a bit too slow. But the volcano was always a lot of fun when you threw a party bag on there (5-8 ft.) From my experiences with vaporizers the Volcano is THE way to go. I have heard good things about the extreme from a headshop owner..mainly due to it's performance being up there with the volcano, but a lot cheaper...

The best vaporizer I have ever tried! Better than volcano.

Thanks Patrick.

I am sort of figuring out what you said. It takes a bit to get used to.

You can use one of those thin bottle brushes, or pipe cleaners, to clean the whips. The brush is much better.

Tall Guy and anybody else reading this thread.

Don't go and buy the Extreme just yet. There seems to be a few kinks to be worked out.

Last nite, I had some pretty strong weed, very sticky.

The bowl kept getting clogged up. I am hoping this problem disappears once I break the extreme in.

Keep watching. I will let you know how it is working after a week or two of usage.

Better then Volcano in what way?

What other Vapes have you tried and how is the Extreme better then them?

Im not starting any bad blood. Just want to know your opinion on it.

clean the screen/screens alot, the cleaner you keep them the longer your unit will last. its all about air flow. i tend to soak my screens in 91 percent rubbing alcohaul. one reason i do not want/use a whip, it seems to be fairly hard to clean.

I have a Volcano but I have also used the Extreme too, I like the versatility of the Extreme compared to the Volcano but I do prefer the bags anyway. When I was researching Vape's a year or two ago I heard a lot of good things about the Extreme. (The remote control is bad ass.)

The main difference between the two is the Volcano has a valve on the bags so the vapor doesn't leak all over the place until you are ready to hit it. I hope you enjoy your new Vaporizer though, but don't forget to save the leftover bud to make some edibles.

In the extreme where is the vapor? In the Volcano you see it in the bags.
does the whip hold the weed? is there a temp control.

How small is this one?

as I mentioned previously i am using the iolite, mainly i like the small size of it. perfect for my needs. vape wise i am very happy with it. before that i was using the vapor brothers boxes and that really sucks basically.

Philter,

If I remember correctly, the iolite was a handheld vaporizer about the size of a cell phone?

The extreme is about 10 inches high, has a glass bowl about 1/2 in in diameter and about 2.5 inches deep. It has both a whip attachment for individual use and a mylar bag, just like a volcano. I have not used the bag yet, but the whip attachment works pretty good.

It has a digital readout, a fan and two other functions (I just bought it).

So far, about 200 degrees C seems to be the right temperature.

Only issue so far is the screen gets clogged a bit. Otherwise a nice little unit, about 1/3 the size of a volcano for $299 US no shipping or sales tax.

It comes with two bags, two glass bowls, a whip attachment, 2 extra mouth pieces and a hurricane bowl (for aromatherapy?) and a few extra accessories.

So far so good.

On another thread last week, Boulderdame mentioned a new vaporizer called "the Extreme". http://www.arizer.com

I had considered the Volcano for a long time. However, I could never pull the trigger, it is a bit too expensive and cumbersome for me.

I just picked up my extreme at the post office.

It works great. Not very large, about 10 inches high, weighs a couple of pounds. It comes with a remote control, two mylar bags, a 3 foot whip that rotates for easy use among friends and extra bowls, screens, mouthpieces, etc.

Compared to the volcano, it is easily portable.

Cost $299. No tax or shipping in the USA.

I have only used it twice at this point, but I think the volcano has a new competitor at a much cheaper price.

You cannot compare an Extreme to the Volcano. It's like comparing a Kia to a cadillac by saying they both can go 70 miles per hour and have a radio to listen to...

The Extreme is made in China, is very light, has breakable parts and a few useless parts as well... like the blue lights and the remote. why a remote when you need to be next to it in order to use it? And no valve in the bag to hold the vapor in. So if you kill the fan from across the room using the remote, there is nothing from keeping the vapor in the bag. We have one on the counter we use as a display because it got knocked over and the interior arm broke and the part where the upside down coffee can connects to the base became very loose.

I work at a head shop. I've seen many problems with the Extreme. One customer brought one back because it lit on fire, several people have broken the interior glass arm, and honestly for the price of around $300 whats another $150? I've found Volcanos for sale at $450 for Classic and $550 for digital. These things are built to Vape too. Quality is all around and no problems. These Vapes are made to last 40 years.

So if your gonna buy one Vape in your lifetime the Volcano will give you YEARS of happiness.

Has anyone ever seen an Extreme in any coffeeshop in Amsterdam?

i thought somebody might be

while trying to clean out the 'trap' on the top of the unit managed to spin it around, fumble it then drop it about 2 inches to the floor

then bent the temperature knob about a millimetre and a half

the orange thermostat light no longer lit

... the much lighter weight of the Q would been a better choice for someone suffering chronic progressive MS

As a Volcano owner, I'm interested in how you 'broke it'

i bought a volcano and was liking it just fine until i broke it

since i was enjoying the primo vap experience i bought an EXTREME Q

i don't think i'll be in a hurry to go back to the volcano once it's fixed

'nuff said

The reason why headshop owners push the Extreme so much saying "It's just like Volcano only cheaper" is because there is more profit to be made on it. I work at a headshop and my boss always wants us to sell the Extreme over the Volcano.

In my opinion, shit doesn't shine no matter how hard it's polished.

Made in China? I've had my volcano 7 years now. No problems of any kind. I prefer German products, and will pay for the superior quality.

The Extreme is a very good vaporizer. And their customer service is excellent. They are very good people. My friends and I love ours.

I first discovered the Extreme in one of my medical marijuana dispensary's here in California. I was amazed at how effective it was.

I use to use a bong, and now I only use the Extreme.

I was at the THC Expose last weekend in Los Angeles and saw many vendors selling the Extreme along with the many other types of units including the Volcano. I asked the vendors how they liked the Extreme and how it sells compared to the rest of the vapes. I was consistently told is was the best value vaporizer on the ma

All I can say is God must have one hell of a sense of humour.

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